Comments on: Let us suffer http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/2009/02/10/let-us-suffer/ The certified opinions of Jonathan Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:28:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Grassroots Economics :: novapages.com http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/2009/02/10/let-us-suffer/comment-page-1/#comment-7997 Grassroots Economics :: novapages.com Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:42:27 +0000 http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/?p=281#comment-7997 [...] think our suffering is nearly as bad as it could be, and to realize that is to move a step forward. As a friend put it: Help people see how much wealth and goodness abounds in this great nation. Help people understand [...] [...] think our suffering is nearly as bad as it could be, and to realize that is to move a step forward. As a friend put it: Help people see how much wealth and goodness abounds in this great nation. Help people understand [...]

]]> By: Jonathan http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/2009/02/10/let-us-suffer/comment-page-1/#comment-7993 Jonathan Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:44:41 +0000 http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/?p=281#comment-7993 Chris, good call. It has always been my opinion that if you are not willing to do anything about a problem, then you should not be complaining about it. Then again, complainers are usually not doers and doers are usually not complainers. Chris, good call. It has always been my opinion that if you are not willing to do anything about a problem, then you should not be complaining about it. Then again, complainers are usually not doers and doers are usually not complainers.

]]> By: Chris http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/2009/02/10/let-us-suffer/comment-page-1/#comment-7992 Chris Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:40:53 +0000 http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/?p=281#comment-7992 Here's my question. Lately I've heard a lot of people discussing this. I've started asking a simple question. So, have you done something about it? Have you emailed your congressman or senator voicing your opinion? I have not yet gotten the response of "Yes, I have." So many people willing to talk, but not willing to do. I have sent a similar letter to each of my elected officials Jonathan. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but trying to show people that it can be done, and is easy. We talk and complain. Have you done something about it? I challenge you! The next time you hear someone discussing this issue, ask them if they've done something about it. Here’s my question. Lately I’ve heard a lot of people discussing this. I’ve started asking a simple question. So, have you done something about it? Have you emailed your congressman or senator voicing your opinion? I have not yet gotten the response of “Yes, I have.” So many people willing to talk, but not willing to do. I have sent a similar letter to each of my elected officials Jonathan. I’m not trying to toot my own horn, but trying to show people that it can be done, and is easy. We talk and complain. Have you done something about it?

I challenge you! The next time you hear someone discussing this issue, ask them if they’ve done something about it.

]]> By: Jonathan http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/2009/02/10/let-us-suffer/comment-page-1/#comment-7989 Jonathan Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:22:42 +0000 http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/?p=281#comment-7989 Hyrum, thanks for catching that. I have now fixed it. Jacob, I agree, there are a lot of aspects that are certainly hard to find answers to. Especially when we do not want to see other people or ourselves floundering. It is difficult to see a neighbor, or friend, or even fellow countrymen lose their job and their house. The answer? True charity. Someone else said it better than it: "And also, ye yourselves will succor those that stand in need of your succor; ye will administer of your substance unto him that standeth in need; and ye will not suffer that the beggar putteth up his petition to you in vain, and turn him out to perish." ( http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/4/16#9 ) Charity and welfare should come from each of us. Not from the government. Third party welfare programs take the responsibility of service away from us. We need to serve each other. However, these days, too many of us are content to let someone else take care of this and many other problems. We are all too busy or wrapped up in our own finances to realize that the solution to all of these problems that we face is in fact US. Jason, hear hear. Let our government stick to the Constitution and lets us take responsibility for the rest. Hyrum, thanks for catching that. I have now fixed it.

Jacob, I agree, there are a lot of aspects that are certainly hard to find answers to. Especially when we do not want to see other people or ourselves floundering. It is difficult to see a neighbor, or friend, or even fellow countrymen lose their job and their house. The answer? True charity. Someone else said it better than it:

“And also, ye yourselves will succor those that stand in need of your succor; ye will administer of your substance unto him that standeth in need; and ye will not suffer that the beggar putteth up his petition to you in vain, and turn him out to perish.” ( http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/4/16#9 )

Charity and welfare should come from each of us. Not from the government. Third party welfare programs take the responsibility of service away from us. We need to serve each other. However, these days, too many of us are content to let someone else take care of this and many other problems. We are all too busy or wrapped up in our own finances to realize that the solution to all of these problems that we face is in fact US.

Jason, hear hear. Let our government stick to the Constitution and lets us take responsibility for the rest.

]]> By: Jason Rammelsberg http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/2009/02/10/let-us-suffer/comment-page-1/#comment-7988 Jason Rammelsberg Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:04:06 +0000 http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/?p=281#comment-7988 I totally agree. Like I said the other day, when did we become a country of equality of outcome not equality of opportunity (not my original though, heard it somewhere else). Why does everyone need the same thing. I don't expect to always be given a trophy for playing a game, just the same opportunity to get on the field. Life is the same way. Why do we need to be handed everything and taken care of by "big brother". Let them provide for the common defense, protect property rights, regulate INTERSTATE commerce not INTRASTATE commerce, negotiate with foreign powers on our behalf and that's about it. They represent us, we hired them to be our voice not our babysitter! Just my two cents! I totally agree. Like I said the other day, when did we become a country of equality of outcome not equality of opportunity (not my original though, heard it somewhere else). Why does everyone need the same thing. I don’t expect to always be given a trophy for playing a game, just the same opportunity to get on the field.

Life is the same way. Why do we need to be handed everything and taken care of by “big brother”. Let them provide for the common defense, protect property rights, regulate INTERSTATE commerce not INTRASTATE commerce, negotiate with foreign powers on our behalf and that’s about it. They represent us, we hired them to be our voice not our babysitter!

Just my two cents!

]]> By: Andy http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/2009/02/10/let-us-suffer/comment-page-1/#comment-7987 Andy Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:38:59 +0000 http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/?p=281#comment-7987 Leave it to Hyrum to find the really important points and focus on them. :) Leave it to Hyrum to find the really important points and focus on them. :)

]]> By: Jacob http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/2009/02/10/let-us-suffer/comment-page-1/#comment-7986 Jacob Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:35:36 +0000 http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/?p=281#comment-7986 I think it is not about us feeling like we have a lot. It's about us managing what we have. Most of us have a lot of debt. We spend more than we make. Or we spend all that we make, leaving us little or no reserve for hard times. If everyone had a little saved up and stayed out of debt as much as possible then they would not have the fear that spreads when recession is shouted out. But the treatment is the same either way. Whether you've put all your eggs in one basket in the stock market, or lent money to unsafe borrowers, or you're in debt, or you haven't saved, or you feel like you don't have enough money, it's all about education. We need to suffer to learn. But then how do we help those who've lost jobs, homes, etc? We might provide them jobs by bailing out banks who can then lend to businesses who can then hire. But that defeats the learning. What else could we do? I guess lower taxes and cut government programs. Which puts governmental employees out of a job. I don't know the answer. I think it is not about us feeling like we have a lot. It’s about us managing what we have. Most of us have a lot of debt. We spend more than we make. Or we spend all that we make, leaving us little or no reserve for hard times. If everyone had a little saved up and stayed out of debt as much as possible then they would not have the fear that spreads when recession is shouted out.

But the treatment is the same either way. Whether you’ve put all your eggs in one basket in the stock market, or lent money to unsafe borrowers, or you’re in debt, or you haven’t saved, or you feel like you don’t have enough money, it’s all about education. We need to suffer to learn.

But then how do we help those who’ve lost jobs, homes, etc? We might provide them jobs by bailing out banks who can then lend to businesses who can then hire. But that defeats the learning. What else could we do? I guess lower taxes and cut government programs. Which puts governmental employees out of a job. I don’t know the answer.

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